To hell with them. I'll use the $99 towards buying the $300 Quark competitive upgrade. I won't pay for Adobe Magazine either. They're as arrogant as Apple, and I wish them just as much ill.

Less than 6 mo. after I buy v1.0 they want $99 for 1/2 upgrade - some nerve! They must think they're pretty special. They had to have known at the time I bought v1.0 that they would be releasing their first upgrade in less than 6 months. Why didn't they do the right thing and offer a free upgrade for users who purchased v1.0 by a certain date. The unreasonable upgrade costs for Quark were one of the reasons I considered going to InDesign in the first place.

Slowly but surely, Adobe is sliding down the path of so many before them... Quark, Microsoft, etc. Why do they think that InDesign was initially so popular anyway. It was not the features. It was the strong desire to dump anything with Quark's name on it. Now Adobe's proven that they are no better. It will prove to be a total marketing blunder. Quark has to be laughing their rears off.

It's best to wait to get a few upgrades out before purchasing a new product. Fewer bugs.

I have found the pricing on all graphic programs to be out of line. Smaller companies like the one I work for can't afford to purchase the most current programs or upgrades. It's a purchase we won't make for quite some time because we already have Pagemaker and Quark. I don't see the need to purchase yet another layout program. We have too much money laid out already for the programs we have.

For an Individual to purchase all the programs needed for a work at home situation you nearly have to put another mortgage on the house.

I prefer Pagemaker and am not fond of Quark to begin with, I only use Quark because other companies send their jobs to me in that program.

(By the way Adobe better get on the ball with colleges and 2nd level schools. The schools only use Quark and say that Pagemaker will go away shortly leaving Quark as the only layout program.)

With Adobe's home page a person cannot find help or make comments on their products.

What nerve!!!!!

Sure enough Adobe never release anything bad. This time they released InDesign 1.0 just not good enough. I think the functions in 1.5 should have been there from 1.0. Still, people working in pre-press do a lot of swearing when trying to RIP InDesign jobs. Till these things run smooth I'll have to stick to the old Quark and keep InDesign for future needs.

i depend very strongly on adobe's competence for my income, and am extremely intolerant of their lapses. when InDesign and GoLive were announced, i bought them immediately, thinking that they would be indispensible and useful tools. far from it. it's kind of like the decline that happened at extensis except slower. i think what happened is that too many mba types started taking control of product development and the short term bottom line became more important than having quality product.

instead of using InDesign, i still use Quark, or less often PageMaker. instead of using GoLive, i use the BeyondPress Quark Xtension and give the files to a html freak to make into something useable. i do remember the six hundred dollars i paid adobe for useless code, and i do plan to ignore the next new product aimed at me that they launch.

Microsoft did it with Windows 3.0 by selling buggy and unstable software, then sold various iterations of Widnows 3.1x. Windows 95 was bad, so they came out with SR2 and then Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second Edition. Please, Adobe, you have an excellent reputation, please don't sully it by stooping to charge for a bug fix. Otherwise you may become known as Adobe, Stunts like Microsoft
Rob Tyler
robtyler@islandnet.com

Adobe has granted a free upgrade buyers after 2/13/00. The special upgrade from PM6.5 was announced at $299, until 12/31/99. I bought it. The program was unstable & slow. The $299 offer was extended. That was unpleasant enough. To have Adobe now require me to pay even $29.95 feels like punishment, though mild, for having accepted the early upgrade offer.

I think Quark is going to new this battle now
Indesign hasn't even fits it printing problem yet this all real sad that had their chance and thae lost.

Adobe is getting too big, all thier products are so sloppy now.
Adobe's focus is out of whack they spend all thier time making Illustrator
and GoJive look like Photoshop, instead of improving the user's experience.

There's nothing holy about PS's UI metaphors. They should make it lean and mean.
and get rid of stupid marketing elements like the Online button.

Do your homework!, Read the message boards!

Adobe is giving the update to those who purchased InDesign at full price(all two of them). If you gave them your support by placing an advanced order, you are S.O.L..

Their introductory price, was to lure customers from Quark's campsite, and get a decent size initial userbase. I showed my support, placed an advanced order. Adobe shipped me an unuseable piece of software and then expects ME to to pay them to correct the problems.

Adobe should be thanking many of us for giving them our support in an application that wasn,t even shipping yet. Adobe should be thanking us for putting down our hard earned cash when many already have a considerable investment in XPress. Many of us don't NEED a second layout app, but we showed our support just the same, and now were being thought of as second class citizens.

I agree with most of what you are saying. I like Adobe's products very much, but this fiasco leaves a bad tast in my mouth. We are still waiting for Adobe to make things right.

The one thing she didn't mention is that if you bought the competitive upgrade, which I'll bet most people did, the upgrade is not free.

Adobe is blowing a chance to take Quark out. We have been very frustrated in our introduction of InDesign to newspaper production.

Also, we are replacing GoLve for Dreamweaver. We can't wait for an upgrade.