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I feel an upgrade headache coming on

While all-in-one packaging is a good idea for Adobe and a somewhat good idea for users, I can't help but feel quite overwhelmed in having to learn all the upgrades at once. (Heck, I haven't even loaded OSX yet.) I hope Adobe keeps in mind that we all can't take a month off to learn how everything works together and offers us some comprehensive CD tutorial training to get us up to speed. As a businessperson I can't say I am very happy either with having to shell out the upgrade money all at once. Still, I can see why adobe made the decision they did.

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totally confused

Are we to assume that these are the "updates" to Illustrator 10, and that this is the new Photoshop 8? Or will there be individual upgrade paths to each? I was expecting an In Design 3...will that now be part of some amorphous suite where you don't really know if the "new" item in the suite is actually the same product you already own, called by a different number? Baffling, isn't it?

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Can't afford to upgrade all products at once

I would love to be able to take advantage of the Photoshop $579 upgrade deal for all the products. However, I doubt my company will pay $579 ($840 Cdn) x 2 for myself and my co-worker. The company will probably pay for one product upgrade-how do I choose which one? Photoshop, InDesign, Illustator? Aghhhh!

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new photoshop grouping

photoshop is an expensive program. Bundling other programs with it just raises the price again. I have well over forty years in photography, and do quite well with photoshop elements as well as a few small programs that offer a high level of automation and convenience for fast editing.

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Adobe CS serial #

"If the price alone isn't enticement enough to purchase the complete suite, Adobe sweetens the deal with a simultaneous, single-serial number install for the included products. For those of us struggling to locate rogue serial numbers, the simplicity of a single-installation effort may be worth it."

Once you purchase the Suite, can you then upgrade individual programs or are you forced to purchase the Suite upgrades forever after??

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Pricing is Poor for Existing Customers

You say that pricing makes upgrading to a suite a no-brainer, but if you already have all of the applications included with CS Standard, you'll pay $549 to upgrade to the suite, or $507 to upgrade the applications individually. Of course you won't get Version Cue, but that hardly matters if you don't need it.

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Photoshop CS activation is only for windows-how come?

It seems unfair to ask only Windows users to activate and not MAC's. Can I use Photoshop Cs on my three computers?? I'm the only user and only one at a time.

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To answer a few questions

You can buy Photoshop separately.

Once you upgrade to the suite from Photoshop, your next upgrade is to the suite. You cannot downgrade back to Pshop only.

No one is making you buy the suite, so you can buy the products individually. What I've seen of Version Cue makes having it worth the extra money. But that's not true for everyone.

I suspect many people will upgrade only Pshop and Illo, and that's fair. But as integration improves, you may change your tune. Perfectly reasonable to sit this suite out though....

And I do think the pricing is fair. But then, the only prod of the Premium Suite I don't use regularly is GoLive.

Keep the comments coming!

--Pamela Pfiffner, editor in chief

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Adobe CS a good thing!

Why? Because I've been wanting to switch over to InDesign from Quark. I save in the long run because I would have upgraded my PS, AI and Acrobat by year end anyway. This way I save on the expense of buying InDesign as a stand alone package.

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Why no upgrade path for owners of multiple programs?

I feel a bit cheated. I've upgraded InDesign since version 1.0, Photoshop since 3.0 and Illustrator since good 'ol Illustrator 88, but I get no more of a price break to upgrade to the suite than the joker down the street who bought a digital camera and a copy of Photoshop last month!
Even Macromedia gave a discount for owning two or more products when upgrading to the original MX.

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CS: great for PS, IL and ID, bad news for GoLive users

Name: CS is ugly. And it turns to be awful with Acrobat named 6.0 Pro and its companion applications named CS. Hope Adobe does not follow a CS Pro 2005 in next version...

Pricing: CS policy seems logical, but Adobe must crate upgrade tracks to users who have multiple single-product licenses.

Applications: improvements on Photoshop and Illustrator are great, but my horsepower is InDesign, which CS version is highly expected and seems to be really outstanding. Although I still wait for more long-document features, ID already become the "Photoshop" of DTP field.

Bad news: GoLive CS has good improvements, but this Dynamic Content module was removed. Strange not to see any reference in the article about this. Many users are claiming against this "downgrade" in Adobe forums, aside other Internet sources.

The Dynamic Content feature will be available from third-party developers and may also be improved. But Adobe's strategy fails when one remember Dreamweaver brings this same feature into its core application and the users does not need to pay more for it.

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Upgrade pricing

The new Adobe CS series looks great, but I'm puzzled. The fact that I own the latest versions of all the new components (Illustrator 10, InDesign 2, Photoshop 7, and Acrobat 6) appears to afford me no better break on pricing for the Standard Edition upgrade than someone who owns only Photoshop (complete suite upgrade price $549). Yes, I know, I can plunk down $169 each for individual upgrades, but at a total of $507 for AI, ID, and PShop, the $42 savings seem meager. Have I missed something?

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Adobe Marketing Blunders

I've talked to a number of people and the general consensus is that Adobe's upgrade policies with the Video Collection, and now with the CS Suite, send a message to existing customers that Adobe is more interested in bringing new users on board than they are in rewarding existing customers for years of loyalty (and upgrade dollars).

Because of this, I for one have decided not to upgrade most of my Adobe software this year (Photoshop being the only exception). Had Adobe offered exisiting customers with multiple applications an incentive to upgrade, I would have probably placed an order to upgrade all of my applications.

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Adobe Backstabs Existing Users

I have been a LOYAL Adobe customer for many years (the first app I ever learned was Adobe Illustrator 88). I have 2 problems with the current product and pricing.

1. I own the Adobe Web Collection with PhotoShop, Illustrator, GoLive and Live Motion. Where's my upgrade? It seems only fair that they offer upgrades for "collection" owners. But they spit on us.

2. There seems to be an all or nothing attitude with both Adobe and Macromedia products and WE THE PEOPLE get the shaft which is a big mistake. Can you say Aldus anyone?

I keep expecting Adobe to put the nail in the coffin to Quark, but the nail gun keeps slipping, and the LOYAL Adobe users are ducking for cover.

Is there a long term plan for Adobe, because I certainly don't see it (at least not for the OS X community). I haven't tried GIMP yet, but I think I will download that this week.

I'm sure in about five years we will all look back and laugh: "Hey, remember that company 'Adobe'?" "Oh, yeah! Whatever happened to them?"

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Product Activation - UGH!!!

If Product Activation is the way Adobe chooses to go I think I'll check out PaintShop pro.

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Adobe Creative Suite Premium is good for Windows

If you are tired of Apple or are on Windows the Adobe CS Suite puts Windows users on a equal playing field for print with Mac users. There is nothing like a PDF workflow for print on Windows. If you have ever wished to switch to Windows now is the time with Adobe Creative Suite Premium. You will not be disappointed.

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But totally agree with Scumdot

Adobe is adopting the same upgrading policy as Macromedia: as long as you have ONE product, you can get the bundle upgrade (check the new MX 2004 policy) and too bad for those who upgraded two, three or four Macromedia products during a few years.

But Macromedia, at least up to now, does not catch you in a all-or-nothing hole for the next versions.

Users should start looking seriously for alternatives to the two monopolistic companies. And as a Mac user, I will probably upgrade to Photoshop CS, period. Adobe's attitude towards Mac users has been despisefull if not arrogant with their Windows mostly video bundle (and Atmosphere).

Finally, never forget that these companies are there to make money for their shareholders very first of all. They will do anything they can think of to achieve that goal, no matter how much grunge their users post on forums. The only thing they would listen to would be a massive switch to Ulead, Corel, Wildform, and other minor companies... which is not something for the near future.

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Adobe upgrade

Photoshop upgrade should be available separately
Many people like myself have no use for the other programs. Leaves a great oppertinity for Paint Shop Pro.

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