For Position Only: Is Quark the Underdog?

Giant Adobe has made its mark on the Web -- and the stock market -- but InDesign hasn't made a dent against tenacious QuarkXPress. So now who's David and who's Goliath?
Written by Anita Dennis on August 23, 2000

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Epic battles always have an underdog. And the longer the war goes on, the more the underdog learns that wile and persistence may lead to victory.

In the battle that is Adobe Systems and Quark Inc., it's not clear which company is David to the other's Goliath. And the secret weapon in this battle may turn out to be the Web.

In the page-layout arena, Quark has always been the dominant warrior. In fact, two years ago this month -- on the eve of Seybold Seminars in San Francisco, which returns next week -- the privately held and cash-rich Quark Inc. made a vaunted attempt at a hostile takeover of Adobe, whose stock was pitching. Adobe was under fire at the time for failing to understand and position its products for the Web.

Fast forward one year to 1999: This time last summer, again at Seybold Seminars, a rejuvenated Adobe released InDesign, which it called "the new standard in professional publishing for the next millennium." Indeed, InDesign included some exciting breakthrough features, such as an extensible open architecture, sophisticated typography, and flexible master pages.

And where are we today? Adobe Systems has rebounded successfully, and the Number One graphic arts software vendor has had how many --eight? I've lost count -- record-breaking quarters, consistently reporting earnings above and beyond expectations. And yet that plucky gladiator QuarkXPress is still the Number One page-layout application for the graphic arts industry.

What gives? Why isn't Adobe InDesign the Quark-killer that the company promised, and why hasn't the San Jose software giant made any significant in roads against the Denver company it would so love to topple?

The Comeback Kid
Personally, I never put much stock in the Quark takeover attempt. That company's management is enigmatic, but I'm fairly certain it was a publicity stunt. I don't even give Quark credit for issuing a wake-up call to Adobe. The pressure on Adobe came from other sources, because it hadn't equipped Photoshop with features for preparing images for the Web, because it hadn't coughed up a graphical Web-page design application, and because it wasn't seamlessly integrating HTML into its design applications (FrameMaker being the exception), among other problems.

Indeed, Adobe made its comeback because it (finally) focused on the Web, with products like ImageReady and GoLive and, more recently, LiveMotion. But that only explains half of the equation. If Adobe is doing so well, why can't it pull that darn Quark thorn out of its side?

First, InDesign 1.0 left much to be desired. It was plagued by drawbacks, and no respectable print publishing outfit would drop an established, functional page-layout application to switch to new software that was slow, lacked some service bureau-required features such as built-in trapping, and proved more cumbersome to use to execute some routine tasks. In fact, one of the paradoxes of InDesign 1.0 is that it generated PDF without going through Acrobat Distiller, but unfortunately the PDF it generated wasn't as consistent and reliable as what Distiller produced.

InDesign 1.5, released just six months after 1.0, fixed many of these problems, adding some goodies like the Pen and Eyedropper tools, a multi-language dictionary, and PDF styles. But it still lacks long-document features and the capability to combine spot and process colors; it still requires some hefty hardware; and users still report problematic PDF output.

Adobe also had a public relations snafu when it attempted to charge $99 for the upgrade and users cried foul. But the fact is, Adobe should have called it InDesign 2.0 -- the upgrade included more than 70 new features, after all. That way, Adobe could have charged what it wanted while at the same time demonstrating a commitment to the product, having put it on an aggressive development cycle. The company does, after all, face the tough challenge of converting sophisticated users of a long-established workhorse of a competing product. And no matter how much publishers may dislike Quark's customer support -- although the company has been applying spit and polish to its tarnished image -- they're a rational bunch, and they're not going to throw a wrench into an established workflow because of emotion. In other words, publishers won't switch allegiances until InDesign proves itself as a mature, robust, and functional application.

Time Will Tell
Should you ask, dealers will tell you that InDesign sales have been sluggish since inception -- for many, InDesign is one of their worst-selling Adobe applications, down there with Streamline and Dimensions; users will tell you that they may have bought InDesign out of curiosity but that they haven't integrated it into their workflow or replaced QuarkXPress; and even Adobe (quietly) admits that InDesign won't meet its target revenue this year. Still, like Adobe, I believe that eventually InDesign will prevail.

Certainly, the company isn't doing much to instill great confidence right now, what with its being busy suing Macromedia for patent infringement, and (apparently) killing PressReady.

But the company has an ace in the hole with Acrobat and the PDF format: PDF is such a versatile, clean, and just plain useful file format that it is going to continue to carry Adobe to new heights, whether it be as a print-production format, online-publishing format, or e-book format. I love to watch version upgrades for each Adobe product, as their interfaces become more similar, as they more fluidly interrelate, as they migrate toward seamless exchange and generation of PDF. Ultimately, InDesign will be the cornerstone of that cohesive, streamlined PDF workflow.

PDF vs. XML
Quark, meanwhile, is putting its eggs in another basket: XML. Avenue.quark, an XTension that lets users describe and export XPress content in XML format, is now available, and "media-independent" publishing, enabled by XML, will be the selling point of QuarkXPress 5.0. Indeed, media-independent publishing is the "nucleus" of Quark's strategic vision, the company says.

While I don't discount the role that XML plays in online publishing, I just don't think it's enough to let Quark maintain its leadership in the page-layout market. XML is the domain of programmers and developers, not graphic artists and designers. So all of those print-centric page-layout customers, Quark's bread-and-butter market, just might balk at upgrading to XPress 5.0. They're apt to pass on QuarkXPress 5.0 and XML and gravitate instead to InDesign and PDF -- and the whole suite of integrated Adobe applications that they already know and use. And they'll trust Adobe to bring them XML publishing capabilities, elegantly executed, if and when they're ready to adopt them.

The competition between Quark and Adobe is fierce and far from finished, and the two companies are warily circling one another, looking for a misstep. There may be surprises next week at Seybold Seminars -- I wouldn't put it past either company to stun the audience with a new tactic. That's what makes epic battles so compelling.

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1

Plug ins and AppleScript make me go with Quark

Quark handles AppleScript so easily. And there are tons of Xtensions to do just about anything. As long as Quark goes OS X native, I'm sticking with it (Quark 4.11 already does well in Classic!)

2

This industry needs strong competition to stay at the forward ed

The last thing we need is stagnant companies is the software business. For the purchase price of $799 Quark should be doing much more to develop great creative features to make it head and shoulders above InDesign. I don't think the features are there.

3

Adobe will buy Quark

Wouldn't be surprised to see Adobe buy Quark one day soon. Remember Adobe and Aldus?

4

Has Bill Gates taken over Adobe?

I'm really disappointed with the way in which Adobe is handling the situation with this segment of the market. Why is Adobe so persistent in crushing Quark? If Quark has so much of the market in page layout only, let them have it. For god's sake, you have Photoshop and Illustrator. It's not easy to put together an application that can meet an industry's standards so adequately. Yes, it's got bugs but (to give credit to Quark), it's worked at ironing them out. It creates PDFs beautifully through Distiller. Why would anyone jeopardize print deadlines to skip a step that will take them one minute (max.) to do? I haven't had any problems sending things to offset. Ironically, Adobe's InDesign and (I'm seeing a therapist about this) PageMaker make you re-learn something you already know how to do in your sleep in Quark (writing PDFs)?

I'm disappointed that Adobe is acting in such a monopolistic proprietary manner about this. They've had their chance with PageMaker. Stop wasting resources and invest in new markets or make your products even better. Let Quark be good at what they're good at. Why re-invent the wheel when the wheel works? .

5

The way Adobes going I won't buy another product...

I have always been a big fan of Adobe with the exception of Pagemaker. Pagemaker was slow, unorganized, and a complete nightmare - files were always getting corrupted, linked elements were always screwed up somehow. I only used Pagemaker for projects that would be going to be used by a non-professional (such as newsletter templates to hand over to an organization) Quark was always my first choice. And I really don't think that the way Adobe has shown such "wonderful new features" in Illustrator 9.0 that print oriented designers are going to put up with their messes. I have always trusted Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop upgrades to be pretty bug free and I have never had a problem with them until this latest batch. While Photoshop has been fine, Illustrator is a nightmare, and I don't use it much and a lot of times I use it for Web design and still find their new web features terrible...I can 't believe Illustrators are happy! I think integration of products is what's going to hurt Adobe - I personally like to have specialized programs They always work better- LONG LIVE QUARK please:0)

6

Use what is appropriate and stop creating wars!

In reading the article on the battle between Adobe InDesign and QuarkXpress I have to say that I am quite disappointed, somebody has missed the mark. Funny how we, as humans, seem to thrive on creating wars to establish our position on things. Adobe Illustrator is a strong Vector Tool while PhotoShop is a fantastic photo image tool and is even strong for other applications but I would have to say that Quark is my choice for page layout. And to say that the Web is the deciding factor is bunk! The web cannot display a roadside billboard nor can it display a full-fledged magazine. I say, use the tool that you are comfortable with and stop worrying about the competition. No company should try to do everything, we all like BMWs but I certainly wouldn't use one to plow a corn field. Don't get me wrong, I love Adobe products but I also love Quark. If one application is strong for the web and the other is strong for print--Cudos! So, in summary, use what is appropriate to the task at hand.

7

I buried Quark out back!

I'm sorry but I'm stickin with InDesign. Since first installation over a year ago I've converted all Old Quark files to InDesign and ditched both Quark 3.32 and 4. My film house is only too happy to receive InDesign files as they rip smoother with no hassles. I just may buy shares in Adobe if'n they drop some!

thanx... Gary @ G4CE

8

Quark vs. In-Design

I completely disagree with Anitas view on In-Design. My guess is that she has many shares of Adobe stock and is just wishing that In-Design will prevail. We tried Adobe Framemaker+SGML and wasted over $2,000 just for software plus the training. The In-Design demo we received was enough warning not to attempt any more changes. We agree that Quark does not have the best support but that is an industry standard when your product rules.

9

I wouldn't be too hasty in judging Adobe

It's just me and my wife as freelancers in Clearwater, FL. We love Macs and Adobe software. Though we've used Quark for years, we welcomed inDesign when it arrived--especially when 1.5 arrived.

Sure, it's not as finished a product as XPress. But they had to start somewhere. Some say we paid to be beta testers for 1.0. But I can see the need for them to let it out of the barn at some point.

I think inDesign has many refreshing features. Though I haven't extensively tested the implications and effects later on the production line, I think that it's an elegant idea to be able to place native format PS and AI files, as well as PDF files on ID pages. I like the palette for placed images.

I also like the pdf export feature with a built-in distiller. It's convenient.

Sure there are bugs. But give em a break. I'm sure they're listening to feedback and working on fixes and upgrades.

I think PDF has a long healthy life ahead, as does XML. You should note that Adobe's new graphic format SVG is XML based. So I'm sure Adobe is aware of its advantages. What's wrong with waiting to see what the competition does and then bettering it?

Software development is a two way thing. We have to realize that we users are listened to and also be willing to take chances, too, by trying out new products.

10

Quark should continue to lead publishing.

Working for a publishing company, we have most of what we need in Quark. With our layouts varying from 80 pages to 400 pages it is very important for us to have long document capabilities.

We do export to .pdf for some of our printers, and we use postscript output for our Quark files. But, quite simply, Quark is too stable for us to give up, especially with two magazines going out monthly.

With our need to export the magazines to our website we foresee that Quark, especially with the news about 5.0 and XML, will remain our most valuable publishing program.

11

quark is far superior

we have just started using indesign (1 copy vs. 8 qxp). i can't recommend it. it does a lousy job of creating pdfs. the pdfs that is does create cannot be output through acrobat(crackerjack) if there is color in the pdf. it could not print a placed illustrator file. when i tried printing direct from illustrator it ran fine. too many problems for me to encourage anyone to use this program

12

It's hard to teach old dogs new tricks

I use Pagemaker then indesign and try quark for a while. Indesign is a better by far it does more and it does it better. Adobe has Photoshop and Illustrator. to back it up it will just get better quark does have chance in the long run.

13

Adobe can win the war but not every battle

InDesign should had been « the best » at first time...
Like Photoshop...
I just feel that Adobe didn't take seriously enough the fact that
graphic designers really need a sotfware they can rely on strongly. No time for errors and excuses.
It's kind of deceiving, because, I think, a lot of persons were ready, at that time, to make the move.
The most deceiving at all, is that Quark, on his side, seems to be sleeping and, like usual, act like a king who thinks everything is winned in advance. For me and a lot of designers I'm in contact with, it's typically a relation of « love and hate » !
May be the answer will come from outer space !
Let's admit that there's no real big surprise around...

14

Hopefully the Battle Will Continue

Hopefully, for consumers, the battle between Quark and Adobe will continue. The competition will only make each of their respective applications better.

As a Quark user for several years, I will probably stay with Quark -- even as InDesign progresses towards the mature, feature-rich program that everyone hopes it will be.

Although Quark has adopted the XML -- the more technical, programmer-friendly -- approach to the web, it will be a good way for designers to hand-off their content to programmers for web publishing.

I also don't see PDF as being a negative for Quark -- I use my "Export to PDF" extension all the time for my Quark files, with great results. It has saved me a great deal of time getting things through the review process.

The best thing that could happen for a Quark user like myself, is that InDesign keeps getting better -- that will keep Quark on its toes.

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